儲蓄保單不下架 富邦人壽要降宣告利率「 - 股票

By Kama
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我發現很多人對儲蓄險有很深的誤解甚至成見,來一一解說一下
可能有人會把我當成是保單業務...是也好不是也好,隨便啦
我沒賣過你保單不需要跟你澄清這麼多
1.買儲蓄險提前解約會虧本
這樣講當然沒錯,但我一直黑人問號
有可能提前解約的人為什麼要買儲蓄險,或是金額為什麼要買那麼多?
儲蓄險本來就是給有閒錢的人買的,手頭緊的人是不是搞錯了什麼?
2.買儲蓄險錢會拿不回來
選大間點的保險公司,買個6年10年期都還不至於保險公司會倒閉
如果你還是擔心,那大概終身險你都不能買了
10年你都怕了更何況50年60年
3.儲蓄險報酬率只比定存好一點點而已
沒錯啊,但就是比定存好啊
儲蓄險IRR有2~2.5%,定存只有1%
儲蓄險就是用拉長時間來得到比定存好的IRR
一樣,只有有閒錢的人才有資格把錢投入長時間的儲蓄險
並且得到比定存好的報酬率
4.儲蓄險的報酬都被通膨吃光光了
嗯,有這個可能
但是反對者一下拿定存比儲蓄險,一下說被通膨吃光
如果說儲蓄險是垃圾,那定存就是垃圾中的垃圾
活存連垃圾都不如
為何不見有人去攻擊定存?
而且再怎麼樣儲蓄險報酬率就是比定存高阿
5.我隨便買0050都比儲蓄險好
這樣講就不公道了。0050是買大盤,大盤沒有系統性風險嗎?
不然現在台股在萬點附近抽插,你定期定額買0050,看你敢不敢買?
高報酬高風險,儲蓄險根本沒什麼風險,只少有個預定利率地板
別以為社會大眾人人都懂投資
反過來講ptt上面一堆看不起儲蓄險的人投資都賺錢嗎?
6.儲蓄險保障不足
沒錯。但請先搞清楚一點,今天我要保障
請去買別的保障型保單
當我買儲蓄險的同時,我是很清楚的知道我在做投資,不是在買保險
我講領回的報酬率,不講理賠金
7.我的股票長期投資績效遠高於儲蓄險啊
好棒棒,那麼你的投資工具就是以股票為主不是儲蓄險
儲蓄險留給不懂投資的大眾做懶人理財
--------------------
以上只是對儲蓄險的概念做釐清
其實今天要買儲蓄險時還要評估很多東西
1.月繳/躉繳 (優先考慮躉繳)
2.固定利率/利變
3.台幣/外幣
4.年末解約領回/月配息
5.保單要放幾年,還有放不同年期的IRR計算
上面這些還可以講很多東西,礙於篇幅就不在講下去了
再講一次,儲蓄險是給有閒錢可以做長年期投資
並且獲得高於定存報酬率的人買的
不是給手頭緊的人更不是給剛出社會的年輕人買的
年輕人要買可以,惦惦自己斤兩
只能買10萬就不要買50萬,更不要繳到沒飯吃
總之我沒有買儲蓄險,但我是評估完上面的所有考量後做出不買的決定
而不是看別人說儲蓄險垃圾!詐騙!就跟著妖魔化儲蓄險
※ 引述《Su22 (裝配匠)》之銘言:
: 1.原文連結:
: ※過長無法點擊者必須縮網址
: https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190527/1454125.htm#ixzz5pB61odPP
: 2.原文內容:
: 儲蓄保單不下架 富邦人壽要降宣告利率「不排除降到1字頭」
: 面對金管會整頓高儲蓄保單的政策,台灣人壽已經表示將逐步停售儲蓄險商品。富邦人
壽
: 副總董采苓今天(27日)則表示,不會停售儲蓄型商品,但會開始調降宣告利率,台幣會
降
: 到2.7%以下,甚至不排除調降到「1字頭」,「調降後如果商品沒有量,那就跟停售差
不
: 多了,沒有必要馬上停售。」
: 保險局將訂定傳統型人壽保險門檻,讓保險回歸到「保障」的本質,衝擊各壽險公司的
高
: 儲蓄型商品。富邦人壽副總董采苓今天受訪表示,保險局希望各公司多販售正保險合約
服
: 務利益(CSM)的商品,其實儲蓄險CSM也可能是正的,只要宣告利率不要太高,CSM就
可
: 能是正的,因此將逐步調降宣告利率,尤其是新台幣計價的保單。
: 目前富邦人壽新台幣計價的保單宣告利率約2.7%、美元保單約3.7%,是否會調到2%以下
?
: 董采苓表示,台幣2.7%其實相當高,現在定存也才1%多;美元3.7%是還可以,但因為受
避
: 險成本影響較大,長久來看還是要保守一點,目前避險成本約1.5%,因為現在美國還沒
降
: 息,但台灣10年期公債殖利率卻下滑,對保險公司壓力是蠻大的,「如果宣告利率立刻
下
: 拉,一定會造成保費懸崖,所以要看整個投資收益跟市場情況,然後逐步下降,但降到
1
: 字頭不是不可能。」
: 為何不像台壽一樣停賣高儲蓄保單?董采苓認為,前陣子太過惡性競爭,現在應該要回
歸
: 正常市場狀況,儲蓄型保單還是可以做,只是要把保障成分提高,所以目前沒有考慮下
架
: ,只是逐步調降宣告利率,讓保單符合CSM為正數的要求,「調降利率之後,如果商品
沒
: 有量,那就跟停售差不多了嘛!所以沒有必要馬上停售。」
: 同時,富邦人壽也將增加銷售保障型保單,但董采苓坦言:「這不是一步就可以達成的
,
: 要逐步調整,因為保障型商品也不好賣。」
: 3.心得/評論:
: ※必需填寫滿20字
: 是說降到1.x%跟台幣定存不也差不多了?
: 還要放好幾年不能動用
: 這樣誰要買?
: 雖然是 大 富邦
: 但這樣是逼大家加入外資小兒的陣營嗎?
--
可能有人會把我當成是保單業務...是也好不是也好,隨便啦
我沒賣過你保單不需要跟你澄清這麼多
1.買儲蓄險提前解約會虧本
這樣講當然沒錯,但我一直黑人問號
有可能提前解約的人為什麼要買儲蓄險,或是金額為什麼要買那麼多?
儲蓄險本來就是給有閒錢的人買的,手頭緊的人是不是搞錯了什麼?
2.買儲蓄險錢會拿不回來
選大間點的保險公司,買個6年10年期都還不至於保險公司會倒閉
如果你還是擔心,那大概終身險你都不能買了
10年你都怕了更何況50年60年
3.儲蓄險報酬率只比定存好一點點而已
沒錯啊,但就是比定存好啊
儲蓄險IRR有2~2.5%,定存只有1%
儲蓄險就是用拉長時間來得到比定存好的IRR
一樣,只有有閒錢的人才有資格把錢投入長時間的儲蓄險
並且得到比定存好的報酬率
4.儲蓄險的報酬都被通膨吃光光了
嗯,有這個可能
但是反對者一下拿定存比儲蓄險,一下說被通膨吃光
如果說儲蓄險是垃圾,那定存就是垃圾中的垃圾
活存連垃圾都不如
為何不見有人去攻擊定存?
而且再怎麼樣儲蓄險報酬率就是比定存高阿
5.我隨便買0050都比儲蓄險好
這樣講就不公道了。0050是買大盤,大盤沒有系統性風險嗎?
不然現在台股在萬點附近抽插,你定期定額買0050,看你敢不敢買?
高報酬高風險,儲蓄險根本沒什麼風險,只少有個預定利率地板
別以為社會大眾人人都懂投資
反過來講ptt上面一堆看不起儲蓄險的人投資都賺錢嗎?
6.儲蓄險保障不足
沒錯。但請先搞清楚一點,今天我要保障
請去買別的保障型保單
當我買儲蓄險的同時,我是很清楚的知道我在做投資,不是在買保險
我講領回的報酬率,不講理賠金
7.我的股票長期投資績效遠高於儲蓄險啊
好棒棒,那麼你的投資工具就是以股票為主不是儲蓄險
儲蓄險留給不懂投資的大眾做懶人理財
--------------------
以上只是對儲蓄險的概念做釐清
其實今天要買儲蓄險時還要評估很多東西
1.月繳/躉繳 (優先考慮躉繳)
2.固定利率/利變
3.台幣/外幣
4.年末解約領回/月配息
5.保單要放幾年,還有放不同年期的IRR計算
上面這些還可以講很多東西,礙於篇幅就不在講下去了
再講一次,儲蓄險是給有閒錢可以做長年期投資
並且獲得高於定存報酬率的人買的
不是給手頭緊的人更不是給剛出社會的年輕人買的
年輕人要買可以,惦惦自己斤兩
只能買10萬就不要買50萬,更不要繳到沒飯吃
總之我沒有買儲蓄險,但我是評估完上面的所有考量後做出不買的決定
而不是看別人說儲蓄險垃圾!詐騙!就跟著妖魔化儲蓄險
※ 引述《Su22 (裝配匠)》之銘言:
: 1.原文連結:
: ※過長無法點擊者必須縮網址
: https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190527/1454125.htm#ixzz5pB61odPP
: 2.原文內容:
: 儲蓄保單不下架 富邦人壽要降宣告利率「不排除降到1字頭」
: 面對金管會整頓高儲蓄保單的政策,台灣人壽已經表示將逐步停售儲蓄險商品。富邦人
壽
: 副總董采苓今天(27日)則表示,不會停售儲蓄型商品,但會開始調降宣告利率,台幣會
降
: 到2.7%以下,甚至不排除調降到「1字頭」,「調降後如果商品沒有量,那就跟停售差
不
: 多了,沒有必要馬上停售。」
: 保險局將訂定傳統型人壽保險門檻,讓保險回歸到「保障」的本質,衝擊各壽險公司的
高
: 儲蓄型商品。富邦人壽副總董采苓今天受訪表示,保險局希望各公司多販售正保險合約
服
: 務利益(CSM)的商品,其實儲蓄險CSM也可能是正的,只要宣告利率不要太高,CSM就
可
: 能是正的,因此將逐步調降宣告利率,尤其是新台幣計價的保單。
: 目前富邦人壽新台幣計價的保單宣告利率約2.7%、美元保單約3.7%,是否會調到2%以下
?
: 董采苓表示,台幣2.7%其實相當高,現在定存也才1%多;美元3.7%是還可以,但因為受
避
: 險成本影響較大,長久來看還是要保守一點,目前避險成本約1.5%,因為現在美國還沒
降
: 息,但台灣10年期公債殖利率卻下滑,對保險公司壓力是蠻大的,「如果宣告利率立刻
下
: 拉,一定會造成保費懸崖,所以要看整個投資收益跟市場情況,然後逐步下降,但降到
1
: 字頭不是不可能。」
: 為何不像台壽一樣停賣高儲蓄保單?董采苓認為,前陣子太過惡性競爭,現在應該要回
歸
: 正常市場狀況,儲蓄型保單還是可以做,只是要把保障成分提高,所以目前沒有考慮下
架
: ,只是逐步調降宣告利率,讓保單符合CSM為正數的要求,「調降利率之後,如果商品
沒
: 有量,那就跟停售差不多了嘛!所以沒有必要馬上停售。」
: 同時,富邦人壽也將增加銷售保障型保單,但董采苓坦言:「這不是一步就可以達成的
,
: 要逐步調整,因為保障型商品也不好賣。」
: 3.心得/評論:
: ※必需填寫滿20字
: 是說降到1.x%跟台幣定存不也差不多了?
: 還要放好幾年不能動用
: 這樣誰要買?
: 雖然是 大 富邦
: 但這樣是逼大家加入外資小兒的陣營嗎?
--
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